Sunday, March 11, 2007

FLYING HEAVIES

let's talk about flying, mastering an aircraft, for a moment.

i have written previously on this topic. what i had to say then was greeted by the ignorants as some kind of elitist pronouncement. to those objectors, anyone could step into the flight deck of a commercial airliner and fly it.

as i read the comments, flying a commercial airliner is tantamount to flying an airborne automobile. therefore, the purported hijackers, with only limited flying experience, would have no problem in mastering a commercial airliner[on their first flying experience in a commercial airliner, by the way].

now, i never flew a commercial airliner. i started in a piper tri-pacer. then graduated to a beech banana, then a twin banana, a travelair, and finally a b model baron.

each one of these aircraft had its own peculiarities. just because you could fly a tri-pacer did not mean that you could master the bonanza.

to the best of my recollection, mastering each one of these recip light planes, in the 1960's, required some hours of "hands-on" experience. the baron was the toughest to master.

cockpit/flight deck familiarity is an important issue. that has been overlooked. just because i might have hundreds of hours in a light twin, i would have no capability to climb into the left seat of any commercial airliner and fly it.

have you ever observed the "office" of a md80, 737, 757, 767, et alia? i can assure you that my light twin experience would never have prepared me to fly any one of these commercial jet airliners.

so, imagine, the joker who couldn't fly a single-engine, recip, cessna[comparable to my old tri-pacer]. the joke that usg tells you is that this joker commandeered a 757 and flew it into the pentagram.

if you believe that could happen, you have been watching way too much television. or you are a bushitophile. or a zionist.

what is even more discouraging is to learn how fixed the amerikan press is on sustaining the fictions of that day. consider that after all these years, the press/media has never illustrated for you the flight deck complexities of a "heavy" as opposed to the little cessna that hamjour[sic] could not master.

recognizing this, i think that you would be compelled to conclude that the "official" story of that day is a crock of shit.

i wrote this some years ago. posting it at eschaton. wow. what an education. here was this purportedly "leftist" blogspot, and yet, posters there wanted to dispute my disquisition on what is required to fly a commercial jet airliner. the prevailing pov was that anyone could seize and fly a commercial airliner....that airline pilots falsely enhanced the skills that were required to fly them.

were these posters disinformation agents? or just supremely ignorant?

i think disinformation agents. i think that there is an office dedicated to disparaging truth tellers on the net.

i had abandoned this topic. abandoned eschaton. principally because aviation reality did not want to be recognized.

so, why have i resurrected this issue? because i tuned into an interview with john lear at pilotsfor911truth.org today.

john lear has the most certs for aircraft of any pilot. and he says, with a more professional background, what i have said....the notion that any one of the purported hijackers could fly those aircraft is beyond laughable.

and once you understand that reality, then perhaps you will understand how thoroughly the bushit regime has been lying to you about the events of that day.

13 Comments:

Blogger MK said...

I totally agree with your assessment. I was allowed to take control of a very small plane while being given a tour of Stockholm several years ago. It was the first time I had ever flown in a small plane. It was a thrilling and rather frightening experience. I was very glad to give the controls back to the experienced pilot.

5:25 AM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

let's talk about flying, mastering an aircraft, for a moment.

I haven’t heard ANYONE claim that the hijackers ‘mastered’ anything about flying an aircraft.

…mastering a commercial airliner[on their first flying experience in a commercial airliner, by the way].

Their first, and only experience which involved neither successfully getting the plane into the air nor successfully landing it. All they had to be able to do was use the planes navigational controls to get them in the vicinity of their desired destinations and manage to fly them into stationary buildings.

now, i never flew a commercial airliner.

So we can completely discount all the rest of your mental masturbation here then.

Thanks for getting to that so quickly.

A slightly more balanced appraisal of the hijackers abilities for those interested.

7:03 AM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

I was very glad to give the controls back to the experienced pilot.

Do you think you could have successfully 'mastered' flying the plane into the ground at a high rate of speed?

7:05 AM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

John Lear.

Renowned UFOlogist.

Perhaps the little green men from Mars could have hit the WTC towers. But definitely not muslim hijackers eh?

9:10 AM  
Blogger iamcoyote said...

So, mk, since you're a scairdy cat and had to hand back the controls to a real pilot, the hijackers couldn't have done what they did after logging hours in simulators and in the air? What "feels" logical and what is logical are two different things.

I've flown a helicopter simulator and did just fine until the operators threw a fire emergency at me. Then I had no problem crashing into the "ground." I'm sure people with just a little more training and experience, as well as religious ferver, could direct a plane toward a more specific target.

What's really amusing is the idea that everyone who disagrees with albert must be an "agent" of some kind. Seems more than a little paranoid to me.

11:18 AM  
Blogger albertchampion said...

let us leave ufo's out of it.

there is a long record of commercial and military aviators seeing strange things in the sky.

in fact, the more senior, the more hours of the crew, the more convinced they were that they had encountered something beyond their experience.

so, let us think of john lear for a moment. son of bill lear. inventor of the learavia radio. i still have my dad's from his 1930's luscombe days.

in world war 2, bill lear was a supplier of components to most of the airframe manufacturers.

his major claim to fame, however, was his development, invention, of the learjet. in the history of aviation, a landmark.

now,his son,john,became an aviator junkie[so to speak]. he became qualified in virtually every aircraft out there. and flew lots of them for a living.

as i understand his career, he amassed more than 19,000 hrs of flight time. that is a lot of time.

there is an interview with john lear at pilotsfor911truth.org site. you might find it educational.

lear thinks that to be able to control one of these planes, to do what was done, would require many hours in a simulator. i tend to agree.

these flight decks are very disorienting. very complex.

if you don't live in that office virtually every day,you have problems. that is why commercial pilots, who routinely fly these birds, spend hours in simulators.

these two trolls are beyond imagining. they just must not allow any critique of the "official" story.

a personal matter? or a condition of employment?

8:32 PM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

lear thinks that to be able to control one of these planes,

Like a buckin' bronc are they? Tough to keep under control? And with all that technology and engineering?

...to do what was done,

Crash them you mean?

would require many hours in a simulator. i tend to agree.

You agree because he's telling you something you want to hear. Since you already admitted you've never flown a 'heavy' your opinion really counts for nothing. (Love the lingo btw. Makes you sound much more authoritative. A nice touch.)

these flight decks are very disorienting. very complex.

How do you know? You've never operated one.

if you don't live in that office virtually every day,you have problems. that is why commercial pilots, who routinely fly these birds, spend hours in simulators.

Yeah, it's always been my understanding that the tough parts are taking off and landing. Neither of which these guys had to do. They were flying in beautiful bright clear morning skies. Lucky for them I guess eh?

these two trolls are beyond imagining.

You do quite enough imagining here for all of us.

they just must not allow any critique of the "official" story.

Critique is one thing. I think there are plenty of things to critique. Latching onto the barest thread of hope afforded by the mutterings of con men, hucksters and tinfoil hatted UFO chasers in a vain attempt to muddy the sea of actual evidence is another. That's the difference between you and I.

a personal matter? or a condition of employment?

It's funny. You so readily accept the most outlandish ideas based on simple FAITH in the people who are telling them to you with no empirical evidence at all. And you think you're so different than people who are, say, religious fanatics. But you're not. You're just the same as them. So throughly blinded by what you NEED TO BELIEVE because it fills up some void inside you that your ability to think rationally has been utterly destroyed.

If your pathology was not so amusing I'd have stopped coming back here a while ago. Intellectually you're a real bore to be perfectly frank. I was really hoping you'd be able to actually back up some of your positions with more than the anacdotal drivel you lay down here post after post.

10:18 PM  
Blogger albertchampion said...

have accessed that 767 flight deck. as well as the concorde's.

as well as md80's, 737's.

QB's get cut some favors.

you do confuse me. why is it that you believe what the usg tells you?

do you enjoy that pablum?

are you a zionist?

are you keen on killing?

tell us about your homicidal soul.

11:14 PM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

have accessed that 767 flight deck. as well as the concorde's.

And a simpleton such as yourself found them 'confusing' so that means everyone else must have?

you do confuse me. why is it that you believe what the usg tells you?

More confusion? Again, it's a wonder you can run your own business. I believe what the preponderance of the evidence tells me happened. I do not believe something just because the government tells me. You, on the otherhand, reflexively disbelieve something for no other reason than that it is a position that happens to be in agreement with that of some official government body. That is why you can not defend, and are unwilling to try to defend, your statements. You throw up your defense mechanisms with the 'you must be a government agent' bullshit. It's laughable.

are you a zionist?

Personally, I wouldn't care if Israel was over run by muslims tomorrow. That has nothing to do with the fact that you simply reject the evidence in this case outright because to accept it would shatter your delusional world view.


are you keen on killing?

Well, I eat meat. But I don't hunt. I support a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy should she desire to do so. I oppose the death penalty without acception.

tell us about your homicidal soul.

What are you a preacher now?

7:51 AM  
Blogger Mooser said...

There's nothing like the wide panoramic view afforded by the extensive windows in the cockpit of a jetliner. Just right for looking around and getting your bearings on a bright sunny day.

12:26 PM  
Blogger Mooser said...

And we all know that just flying the aircraft at the altitude you want, within a very narrow window, is the very first skill gained by a new pilot, often within a few seconds of piloting an unfamiliar aircraft.
I'm sure the clam concentration required for this was enhnaced by the mornings activities, too.
Gosh, maybe all flight training should start with a hi-jacking!

12:32 PM  
Blogger Mooser said...

Geez, albert, I don't know why the hell we even bother with all that certification and other regulatory bullshit when there are probably legions of kids hanging around Middle Eastern airports, any one of whom would pilot you to Dulles or wherever for just a few Dinar and a couple of cups of coffee.

12:36 PM  
Blogger Al Coa said...

Gee, I'm sorry I missed these 'til now.

There's nothing like the wide panoramic view afforded by the extensive windows in the cockpit of a jetliner. Just right for looking around and getting your bearings on a bright sunny day.

If they're so useless why bother with them at all mooser?

And there's a little thing called a flight navigation system. But I appreciate the fact that we might be getting a bit out of your league here.

And we all know that just flying the aircraft at the altitude you want, within a very narrow window, is the very first skill gained by a new pilot, often within a few seconds of piloting an unfamiliar aircraft.

You assume they were unfamiliar with the aircraft. Why? Because Albert said it must be so? Did you read the info on the link I provided? There is no reason to believe the hijackers did not have a basic working knowledge of the flight control systems of these planes.

I'm sure the clam concentration required for this was enhnaced by the mornings activities, too.
Gosh, maybe all flight training should start with a hi-jacking!


I have no doubt that they were quite focused on what they were doing.

Geez, albert, I don't know why the hell we even bother with all that certification and other regulatory bullshit when there are probably legions of kids hanging around Middle Eastern airports, any one of whom would pilot you to Dulles or wherever for just a few Dinar and a couple of cups of coffee.

You really are trying to sound stupid right?

These guys didn't need to know how to take off. They didn't need to know how to land. Are you so mentally limited that you don't think you could teach yourself how to perform basic functions required for maintaining level flight and inputting navigation information in one of these planes if you were really intent on it?

Are you in grade school?

8:21 PM  

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